Curse

Carinae · Apr 15, 2008, 01:20 AM // 01:20

I have only been running a Sin for a short time now. I would like to hear some comments on the build I have been running:

600hp/25e
Survivors Insignias
Zealous/Fortitude Dagger

14 DM
13 CS

Golden Phoenix Strike
Critical Strike
Moebius Strike
Death Blossom
Critical Defenses
Critical Agility
Critical Eye
Dash

It's not fancy, but the skills all have strong synergy with each other, and the build is very straightforward for a beginner.

The one drawback I have seen is that if GPS misses, your attack chain is screwed until GPS recharges. Although, even auto attacking generates enough crits to maintain CD/CA, so you don't fall apart, you just can't get into MS/DB.

Critical Strike is handy if you NEED to refresh CD/CA.

There just doesn't seem to be a faster way to get into MS/DB without breaking the rest of the build. Master of Damage rates this at 81dps, to a single target. Obviously MS/DB crank out numbers much higher when they get in a mob. The build is crazy fun, and very survivable. I've died like 3 times as I worked through EotN.

I've never looked up a Sin build. I made this one myself, for all I know, everyone runs this. How is it?

Coloneh · Apr 15, 2008, 01:47 AM // 01:47

not bad. Critical strike and critical eye is overkill, I would just go with critical eye because it dosnt break your MS/DB chain. I wouldnt bother with dash either, kinda useless. if you need a speedboost i would take rush.

its pretty good though, pro attribute spread.

The AFK Monk · Apr 15, 2008, 02:04 AM // 02:04

looks pretty good, but i would throw in save yourself in place of dash for extra support

Winterclaw · Apr 15, 2008, 02:05 AM // 02:05

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Originally Posted by Carnie

The build is crazy fun, and very survivable. I've died like 3 times as I worked through EotN.

It's not survivable enough for survivor though. Aside from that, it's pretty standard. I run something similar with the two fox skills as my set up to MS/DB, but I've had problems with mobs dying too quickly to finish it... That's a good problem usually. Scythe builds are popular. I run an A/R with the interruption preparation on occasion as well.

lacasner · Apr 15, 2008, 02:08 AM // 02:08

Yea, Mobieus and Death blossom are basically the bread and butter skills for PvE sins.

bj91x · Apr 15, 2008, 02:26 AM // 02:26

I have a very similar set up. I only use it in HM and other specific situations, though. In NM and most areas, enemies die too fast sometimes, preventing me from connecting with MS. That'll leave me with a lot of time just hacking away with my dagger dealing next to no damage thanks to GPS' long recharge.

Most times, I go with this set up:

Golden Lotus Strike
Golden Fox Strike
Wild Strike
Death Blossom

GLS for e-management and the rest of the attack skills to spam all day long. Constant unblockable attack skills as well as stance removing skills. The remaining slots can go for defense, self heal, res, or othe offensive help like Critical Agility. You can throw in MS for good measure, but it's not needed. Very good damage and most importantly, reliable in majority of PVE situations.

Kyomi Tachibana · Apr 15, 2008, 02:35 AM // 02:35

Looks good, I rolled a sin recently and am loving it, have yet to get going on EotN yet but took him through Factions and NF using the same build:

[build prof=A/W box dagger=12+1+1 Critical=12+1][Golden Fox Strike][Wild Strike][Death Blossom][Moebius Strike][Critical Eye][Critical Agility][I am unstoppable][Save Yourselves][/build]

Using two Rit heroes, both with Splinter Weapon and AR, and one with Warmongers, it's quite delicious.

PS: And yes, the armor from "IAU!" And Crit Agility stack.

Carinae · Apr 15, 2008, 03:17 AM // 03:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coloneh

not bad. Critical strike and critical eye is overkill, I would just go with critical eye because it dosnt break your MS/DB chain.

Oh, you're right. I can go directly into GPS->DB->MS. I don't need Crit Strike.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coloneh

I wouldnt bother with dash either, kinda useless. if you need a speedboost i would take rush.

How about Sprint? a) I can't easily get Rush without a tome (Factions girl) and b) Rush uses Adrenaline which would take away from SY!

Golden Phoenix Strike
Death Blossom
Moebius Strike
Critical Defenses
Critical Agility
Critical Eye
Save Yourself!
Sprint

I'm gonna play around with this build.

Chthon · Apr 15, 2008, 03:24 AM // 03:24

Heh, Carinae, you pretty much came up with "the definitive best sin" without looking.

Anywho, commentary:

1. GPS works, and it seems to be the chain-starter of choice around here. Sneak Attack + Golden Fang Strike is a bit more reliable and recharges faster, but at the cost of an extra skill slot (and a PvE skill slot at that).

2. Club of a Thousand Bears gets recharged by by MS, giving you a frequently-available interrupt/knocklock tool. (Picked that up from the other thread I did

)

3. Critical Eye and Critical Strike is overkill. I tend to prefer critical eye since it adds damage, while critical strike tends to sit unused on my bar for long periods.

4. SY is a nice addition. You don't attack fast enough to keep it up nonstop like a godmode dragon slash warrior, but you can keep it up enough to save your team a lot of damage.

Coloneh · Apr 15, 2008, 03:44 AM // 03:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyomi Tachibana

PS: And yes, the armor from "IAU!" And Crit Agility stack.

only up to 25. sooo critical agility adds 1 armor on top of "IAU!"

technically thats stacking i guess....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood

How about Sprint? a) I can't easily get Rush without a tome (Factions girl) and b) Rush uses Adrenaline which would take away from SY!

without an adrenaline engine (Dslash or IMBAgon) SY! is kinda useless. I wouldnt bother. and i suggested rush because it is free (you shouldnt really be using adrenaline for anything else) and can be kept up forever. Pious Haste would be my seccond suggestion... unless they nerfed that, cant remember.

Kyomi Tachibana · Apr 15, 2008, 04:12 AM // 04:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coloneh

only up to 25. sooo critical agility adds 1 armor on top of "IAU!"

technically thats stacking i guess....

Eh forgot about that, just seemed like too much of a difference when using both instead of one to be 1 armor.

RavagerOfDreams · Apr 15, 2008, 05:19 AM // 05:19

purty good except you can either drop critical eye for a pve skill like club of a thousand bears or you can drop critical strike for another dual of your choice (i.e twisting fangs, hoto)

also coloneh is right dash is pointless in pve pritty much all ims's are

this could be a party wide utility such as SY!

RPGmaniac · Apr 15, 2008, 05:35 AM // 05:35

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Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood

How about Sprint? a) I can't easily get Rush without a tome (Factions girl)

All you gotta do is a quick quest to get her to LA. If you already have it unlocked, you can buy it from the skill trainer there.

Carinae · Apr 15, 2008, 06:13 AM // 06:13

God, I always forget that. Yea, she's already in LA, done.

BLUESHIFT · Apr 15, 2008, 06:29 AM // 06:29

Why would you run rush over dash? Rush uses adrenaline, is a short duration and only a 25% speed buff. Dash can be used outside of battle because it is energy based, is a short duration/short recharge, requires no attribute and is a 50% speed buff, which can even catch HM monsters. Coupled with dark escape as a panic button survival skill you can be an amazing track star also...

Coloneh · Apr 15, 2008, 09:58 PM // 21:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by BLUESHIFT

Why would you run rush over dash? Rush uses adrenaline, is a short duration and only a 25% speed buff. Dash can be used outside of battle because it is energy based, is a short duration/short recharge, requires no attribute and is a 50% speed buff, which can even catch HM monsters. Coupled with dark escape as a panic button survival skill you can be an amazing track star also...

Rush is free and can be kept up permanently. for our purposes it functions just fine with no attribute investment.